A Facebook discussion on this picture which turns into a metaphor for much more. Our FB discussion seems chaotic, confused and random, but I sense there is a higher order revealed if the conversation does not get reduced to argument and duality. There is a non-dual principle at work here. Look for yourself. This thread took place in two days, beginning when I finally got of picture of these two young men who had been passing my house on the other side of the street all summer.
Two Mormon missionaries have spent their summer here in Blackstone. I see them walking about town, white shirt and black pants their uniform, head and back bent from carrying their religion.
Ivan Campos I spotted them the other day. Have you spoken with them?
Drew The-WorkCrewe There nice people and if you tell em not to push, they wont. Talk to them, just doing so makes ya feel better. I’m no fan of any religion, but good people are just good people.
Dale Hinton They are good guys, doing what they believe is right. They took their father’s religion, like most people.
Ed Conley They won’t knock on my door. I guess the Buddhist flags and yoga sign scares them off. Doesn’t work on Halloween though. It takes a strong faith to spend a summer in heathen place like Southside Virginia. I heard they eat Mormon babies here.
Christine Mj Lavoie I often have jeovah’s witnesses here, I invite them for coffee and ask them what beautiful news they have for me..They are so eager and happy to talk about their message..I can only oblige.♥
Ed Conley I would love for them to visit. In past some have stopped by and we exchanged views.
Carrie Smith I don’t find them willing to leave if I’m not interested. Mormons OR J.W’s. I once went through the Mormon instructions but decided against it 30 years ago. Supposedly if you tell them that, like you know about it and decided not to join, they’ll leave you along. If I tell them that it makes them more pushy, they want to know WHAT I didn’t agree with, etc. They try and get you into a conversation, about anything. J.W.’s are worse. I don’t like how they sometimes have a child go to the door and the adult kind of hides, so you open the door thinking it’s the child. It’s probably my attitude of feeling irked by them that attracts them not accepting “I’m not interested”. I wouldn’t want to be part of anything that doesn’t respect people having their own beliefs.
Ed Conley There is not a whole lot of difference than the Mormons knocking on your door to convert you to their belief and someone knocking on your comment here on FB to sell you their belief.
Abbi Messer J.W.’s used to come to my house, they stopped when I got a BIG dog. He’s friendly, just quite intimidating lol
Faithia Mitchell LOL, well the Jehoviah’s Witness push and the Morman’s retreat and the Seventh Day Adventist just tell you like it is: Give your burdens to Jesus because he care for you. No sweat, its that easy.
Santi-Jose Acosta All faiths are a burden.
Ed Conley All faiths tell you like it is…for them. The only “faith” that doesn’t feel the urge to go out and conquer is Buddism, and that’s because it is not a theistic religion. It has no hungry God.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) and we do NOT push our beliefs and values on anyone. These 2 young men are very far away from home and their families and all they want to do is teach people about Jesus Christ. If people are not interested…they very politely leave. My 19 year old son is currently serving a mission for the church in Argentina and I pray every day that the people in a foreign land treat him with the respect, courtesy and kindness that we should show to everyone.
Faithia Mitchell Wrong, Santi-Jose, because you also have faith in what you believe, if you have no faith, you have no foundation and if you have no foundation, you can’t stand for something, you will fall for anything. I do believe we should respects all beliefs/religions. I have been visisted by both JW and Mormans before and they were respectful. Its a freedom everyone deserve; to believe what they will. Religious Freedom is a great thing.
Ed Conley Yes, those are lonely young men far from home walking up and down Main Street for their faith. This will make them strong. I honor them, however, the image of them walking, walking, head bend, back bent, is a metaphor for the heaviness of one’s religion, to have to carry it around all the time, defending it, doubting it. It is a burden. But that does not mean it is wrong. We all carry a burden and want to have it lifted. But who will lift the burden of religion?
Ed Conley Faithia Mitchell Do you ever feel the burden of being Faithia?
Faithia Mitchell NO Ed, check out the meaning of my name, LOL, how can I have such a name and it burdens me? Nothing stick to my back because I am always calling on Jesus for help. He always respond because I am such a lousy sheep, always trodding close to the edge. hahahah.
Ed Conley Faithia Mitchell I said that because we all feel the burden of the name and our history, our personality with it habits and conditioning. You yourself said you have the burden of your sins. That’s what I’m talking about, the burden of our sins and the unforgiven, our history and all the left overs on our plate. Our mother told us to eat everything on our plate, but we never do. There is always something left over to haunt us.
So I’m not coming down on you or criticizing you (and if you feel I am please point that out to me). But we seem to cross paths here on FB, and I asked you to be my friend, so here you are. Why?
To spread your truth? To confront error, illusion, and ignorance, to fight the good fight against evil? To bring lost sheep to God?
I’ve been there and done that. And I probably still do that. But to have to do that is a burden, isn’t it? To have to stir it up, to have to live up to my burden, is a burden. This seems to be the religious person’s burden. And what is that burden?
To have to be right. The burden means that I must uphold the Truth, and in order to do that I must be right…right?
What I look for, what I search for is a way in which we can all share in the Truth, where we can all have a piece of the pie. Where we don’t end up with this burden of taking the pie of truth away from others so I can have it all. if you look at what goes on, right here on FB, you can see that it’s all about the pie. The Pie of Truth. No one wants to share truth. It’s got to be all mine…….and THAT’s the burden. Thank you Faithia for being who you are.
Diana Lynn Wilkins-Mitchell I have recently had the pleasure of making a new friend who happens to be mormon, being Catholic I have very little experience with that religion…I can only say I have enjoyed our discussions and count her as a close friend after only 8 weeks. Her chidren are lovely and have become a part of our family. God works in mysterious ways and gives us such a great gift in friendship….I have grown in my own faith and have enjoyed learning about hers (so as not to offend :0))…I feel for those young men on their mission…I know their families miss them…I hope they have a trip that allows them to grow closer to God.
Ed Conley Getting back to our Mormon boys walking the street with their heavy backpacks, knocking on doors as Halloween approaches, hoping for a treat. You see…..this picture is a metaphor for whatever you want it to be. There is the fact of the two human beings in Blackstone walking for their faith, for whatever reason they are doing it. We don’t know.
But they walk for us too. Each can see a new meaning in their walk, or was cannot see them at all. This is the confluence of fact and metaphor. We can choose to remain with the fact and talk about their historical factual existence: what they ate this morning, who they did or didn’t talk to, what kind of guys they are, what their parents are like…all these things are expanding our factual knowledge of them. We reduce them to facts and hold them there.
But what is the metaphor here. Perhaps one sees your own walk and its heavy burden, whether its your religion, your past, your sins, your personality that you can’t escape, whatever, this is your burden and these two guys metaphorically point to it. If you choose, that is. If you have imagination.
In a way, these two Mormons are walking to free you from your burden. If you see that your past is in your back pack and it’s bending your head and shoulders to the ground, if you see that directly, then guess what happens. You put the pack down and go home, free at last.
In a way, these Mormons are the Christ principle, someone who bares the burden for you so that you can be free. This is the power of metaphor and your own creative imagination. The historical fact of these two young men and your historical fact become one through the portal of the metaphor. Two opposite world, the objective world of them as IT and the subjective world of YOU from the inside as I AM join and create a new and greater idea or vision of who you are. You can put down you back pack of pain if you see that you have chosen to carry it.
THE NEXT DAY. ANOTHER POST.
Some Mormons came to my door. They have been passing my house all summer without stopping and I was feeling a little rejected. So today they stopped, and that was after yesterday when I took a picture of them and opened a discussion on FB. But the to keep on track here about belief….after I cracked some jokes with them, the serious one, who was itching to get his sales pitch out finally got to his opening line: do you believe in Jesus Christ.
Bam. There is was. So I had a few moments before asked them if they wanted anything, some water? and they said yes, so there were standing there in my foyer drinking this bottled water and I said, I have come to the place in my life where Christ is no longer in the past or future, or any belief, for that matter.
It’s like that water. You are thirsty and the water quenches your thirst. And you don’t care if you can’t read the label or if it’s Buddhist water, or Mormon water, or Muslim water. The water works. You don’t drink the label, you drink the water. And that is the way Christ is for me now. Christ is the water and you have to drink it now. This has liberated me because now I have no belief or script I have to sell, no labels I have to read and interpret. There is just the water of this present moment and I’m moving with it as it flows.The two young mens smiled and thanked me, we exchanged cards and I invited them back for tea. Oh, I said, as they left. “You are lucky, you can go out on Halloween dressed as Mormons.”
Denise Cushnie Ed, I’ve read your words 3 times. A great description!!Ed Conley it was a spontaneous drink of water.
Carrie Smith Mormons aren’t allowed to drink tea (or coffee or cocoa) My sister was a Mormon (converted by missionaries) for over 30 years, finally realized she didn’t really believe what they did, was trying to. She and her husband left the church and their long time friends (in the church) turned on them and stopped being friends. But my sister got to drink a nice cup of tea again…
Ed Conley Interesting. These two young men were standing in my foyer, one, the shorter one and the second in command was smiling and drinking the water. The other one, taller, blond, we seriously but politely waiting for his chance to spring his pitch. I asked him why he was so tense.
I got the ice melted when they first came in when I told them about my first experience as a door to door salesman, selling World Book. My manager, Henry Bernick, was with me as I approached the door with fear and trembling. Remembering my instructions I notice a card in the door with a name on it. When the door opened I leaped forth with my pitch. ‘Hello, Mrs. Handle, my name is Henry Benick and this is Ed Conley.”
My mind had completely collapses. When we all realized that what I had said, Turn Handle being under the door bell, we broke out laughing and she invited me in. Anyway, that got the Mormons laughing, and it was clear sailing after that.
Sabrenia Corley Wriston Ed your words are truely fitting .loved the uses of water .
Ed Conley The water became a creative metaphor for Christ. Christ is the water, Jesus the religion is the label. We confuse the label with the water and try to drink the label, which is historical and a fact in time and location. So then we say that only the water with the christina label is pure. All other water is impure. But what we are talking about is the label and not the water that’s in the religious bottle. You have a Mormon bottle and a Christian bottle, and then all kinds of different Christina bottles with their own spring water that is the most pure.
Over and over we confuse the metaphor with fact. Take the Virgin Birth. Is that a biological fact or miracle, or is it a metaphor for one pure mind that is empty of labels. A Virgin mind would be a womb that is open to the inspiration of Christ, because it had no other labels before it. But..if we get caught up in the historical fact, then we just argue about whose label is correct.
Thanks for walking with me in this inquiry.
Marnie Norris LOL… i dont see how those parents send these boys so far from home to go into strange peoples houses. I think it is wonderful they feel that strongly about religion, but as a mother i would worried about my son.
Ed Conley They said they volunteered, when I asked it this mission work was required. The strap on a Mormon vest and head on into the religious wars, martyrs for the cause.
Peter Gleeson They send missionaries to Australia but are not appreciated
Ed Conley Yes, there is something basically egoistic about sending missionaries, for it is based in the assumption that the Other need saving by the missionary’s superior values. And it is also based in a fundamental doubt of one’s own belief system; it needs new members to increase it assurance that it is right, the Chosen One. As long as it grows, it feels secure. But let growth drop, it begins to panic. The doubt grows and so does the avoidance of that doubt. This is based in the fallacy of the misplaced God. They place God in their belief system and then look down from their mount Olympus on all other beliefs and gods.
Peter Gleeson The mormons would say they know the truth and it is their responsibility to spread it. To not do so would condemn people to an eternity of hell. I think it is important to spread the greater truth – the one that includes all religions, all people, all biosphere, all past, all present and all future. In summary, we need to understand how life moves through time and our part within this. Our goal should be to create ‘Heaven on Earth’ by becoming environmentalists and becoming socially active and more like humans. If we are successful in such an undertaking, we will prevent humanities extinction and our descendents will sing our praises because we saw evil and knew it was wrong and decided to make a stand against it. The Occupy movement has a chance to bring about necessary changes but doesn’t seem to have a real philosophy or manifesto – just a ‘not this’ attitude. It is like the rebellion of teenagers before the maturity of adult kicks in.
Ed Conley It’s Sunday morning and the Eastern Sun shines on my home office window. Thank you Peter for two great ideas that stir the blood of my writing. Creating ‘Heaven on earth” and the OW has no plan…to create Heaven on Earth? Lets see if we can bring these two ideas together. Oh, and the Mormons, bless their hearts, do have a plan.
Lets look at this from a non-dual perspective. We hear a lot about that on the elite circles of FB, but I have found it is not a perspective but a creative action. First the idea of creating heaven on earth is dual, the idea of replacing one realm with a better one. But from ND earth is already heaven. There is no creating or fixing to do. No plan. Change is good, but one has to allow it to happen, But all change must go through Chaos, especially when the old hangs on and builds up tension like we have now. Tension in the plates of the mind finally give way to the “big one” and the old system is destroyed.
Now for the OW. it is good they have no plan to create heaven on earth. It is good it is spontaneous with no meaning except in itself. Like ants after you disturb their system by removing their food chain, they spontaneously reorganize a new system that is in accord with the ground.
So our system, our collective mind and the myths that hold it together are out of touch with the changing ground of the civilized world, nay the earth itself. Chaos is being introduced, and no plan can create a new system because all plans come from the old myths. A new myth is being created, and that creation like all creative art must come from the ground itself.
When you get in touch with the ground, like Buddha pointed to, the earthquake will come. Thank you. I feel better now.
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